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PDP-11 Hardware

 

 

Please Note:
We don't sell or broker PDP-11 parts or systems.
But we do have a recommendation in that field.

 

Since DEC was sold to Compaq, the bottom has fairly well dropped out of the PDP-11 spares market.  This is true of both resale value and availability.  Nobody wants to stock a part for 5 years, then have it bring only $100 because the purchaser said, "$1200?  Forget it.  We'll go to an Intel solution instead."

Here is our commentary on the situation.

 


The Current PDP-11 Situation

Like RSX consulting, once you could buy PDP-11 hardware on every corner.  The DEC Professional, VAX Professional, and Hardcopy listed dozens of add-on sellers, and dozens more DEC resellers.

That was then.  This is now.  Since 1990 almost everyone has dropped out of the field.  UNIBUS hardware is no longer made, and now boards are like gold ... the very same boards that people were throwing away 15 years ago because they couldn't get postage value when trying to resell them.

The Q-bus field is somewhat better, because many VAXes still supported Q-bus hardware well into the mid- and late 1990s.  Still, those options used specifically for PDP-11s are becoming hard to find as spares.

We can be sure that the situation will not be any better in the future.  In 5 years, supporting PDP-11s will be like trying to support PDP-8s today.  Here are a few comments on the hardware situation.

 


Buying Systems

For a long time, the simplest way to pick up systems if you weren't particular about the exact model, was to watch the vmsnet.pdp-11 newsgroup.  Not any more.  From time to time, something still turns up, but you have to be prepared to drive cross-country on short notice, most of the time it's not something you want, and even if it is what you want, you may have to tear down and take home an entire system.  If you want 11/34s, that's fine, but nobody is giving away 11/94s with Unibus SCSI adapters.

Over the last 10 years, all the system integrators have gone away.  Now you need to find someone who worked with PDP-11s in the glory days, someone who knew PDP-11s well because the knowledge decays fast when not used.  And be willing to pay them well to integrate a new system.

From experiences over the last ten years, we've decided that there is only one company left that can do a decent system integration of a "new" PDP-11.  They are Finite Systems, Ltd., based out of Shakopee, Minnesota.  Talk to Dick Cecchini (sounds like "zucchini") and tell him Machine Intelligence sent you.  Then he won't hang up or laugh at you.

 


Spare Parts

The spare parts situation is much the same as the systems situation.  It's a little bit better, though, because there are still some DEC resale houses in the business with old PDP-11 parts on the shelf.

If you think you'll ever need spare parts, buy them now. They won't get any cheaper in the future and when you need them, you'll need them now.  Why?  Because the only PDP-11s still running, are running because they're mission-critical systems.  Not because they're lovely pieces of hardware, but because they still do a critical job.

Before buying spares, talk to someone who still has the old DEC-O-LOG microfiche, and ask them to look up the "current" (i.e., last) revision level of the board.  This is mandatory!  You must do it every time you buy a board.  Out of revision boards turn up far too frequently on the used market, and many of the last revisions are critical for the board to work right.  Example: The UDA50 before revision "K" did not do bad block replacement correctly.  You don't want to buy something that looks like it works, but will stab you in the back in operation.

Where to buy spares ... well, really there are so few choices you'll have to shop them all, and take the best price.  Get a copy of The Processor or Computer Hot Line and start making calls.  Look on ebay®.  Those are about the only options for spares. DEC / Compaq / HP is long out of the module business.  You'll have to shop the used market to get anything for PDP-11s at a halfway reasonable price.

 


Selling Systems / Parts

Alas for anyone who wants to sell a complete PDP-11 system or parts.  In the early 1990s, people were stocking up on PDP-11 hardware because they knew it would be harder to get in the future.  Today, however, everyone who needed those spare parts and systems already has them.

There is very little sale value to PDP-11 systems or hardware today, unless the part in question is a specific, hard to get module such as an ICS11 submodule.  Processors, disk controllers, I/O cards, racks and cabinets all sell on ebay® today for ten to forty dollars.  This is great for hobbyists who have time and the inclination to fiddle with hardware of unknown provenance.  However, it also indicates that nobody in the used market is buying, and that trying to make a buck off that 11/34 in dead storage is no longer possible.

 


System Upgrades

If you have a need for a faster processor, ideally you should stick with DEC-manufactured hardware.  It all had quirks, but DEC was aware of that and handled it in the operating systems.

The upgrade path for 11/23 (dual wide) is to the 11/73 (dual wide).

The upgrade path for 11/23 (quad wide) is to the 11/73 (quad wide).

The upgrade path for the 11/44 and 11/70 is to the 11/84 or 11/94.

The upgrade path for any old UNIBUS CPU (11/34, 11/40, etc.) is to the 11/44.

The upgrade path for the 11/73 is to the 11/83 or 11/93.

The upgrade path for the 11/83 is to the 11/93.

The upgrade path for the 11/84 is to the 11/94.

And if you find yourself at the 11/93 or 11/94 and still need more performance, you must leave the DEC world and look at third-party system upgrades.  At least one company offers a PDP-11 emulator that runs on an Intel-based PC.  However, running a high-reliability control application in an emulator under Windows might well make shivers of fear run up and down anyone's spine.

 


11/70 Performance Upgrades

In the mid- to late 1980s, SETASI / Digital Data Systems marketed a series of enhancements for the 11/70.  Called the PEP-70 and Hypercache, these modules replaced the touchy, difficult to configure external MK11 memory boxes, and gave the system a reasonable performance boost through CPU enhancements as well.

As time went on, the 11/70s fell from use and were replaced by 11/84s and 11/94s with slightly higher performance and much better reliability.  While an 11/70 with the PEP-70 upgrades would still marginally outrun an 84 or 94 on disk I/O speed, (as anyone who has ever worked on an 11/70 can verify) 11/70s were surly monsters to maintain.

There are not many 11/70s still in use anywhere in the world.  Those in use probably don't require the PEP-70 or Hypercache enhancements at this stage of their life.  This is a good thing, because the chances of finding:

  • A complete and working PEP-70 hardware set
  • With the necessary documents to install and configure it
  • The necessary software to test and validate it
  • And an engineer competent to work on an 11/70 CPU
are close to zero.

11/70 backplanes are now well over a quarter century old.  They were black-and-white spaghetti at best when new; now they are fragile and oxidized to boot.  Only an extremely brave, but more likely foolish, system owner would swap any CPU cards without dire need.  "Never touch a working 70 for anything short of smoke coming out of it," was the credo of most engineers who worked on them.

If you do have an 11/70 and require performance improvements, from a reliability standpoint you are much better off to look at an 11/94 or splitting the application across two systems via shim routines and DECnet.

 

 

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